Marilyn Bellantoni might provide this season's need metric. The Santellis/Cetrullos aren't ROCs/SYCs. There are ~800 NJ Divison refs (https://foc.askfred.net/Referee/index.php?filters%5Blast_name%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&filters%5Bdiv_id%5D%5Bvalue%5D=29&filters%5Brecent_exam%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&filters%5Bsec_id%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&filters%5Brating%5D%5Btype%5D=max_rating&filters%5Brating%5D%5Bop%5D=%3D&filters%5Brating%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&FOCSID=uk9q5026j7nthv85jiuc6j5qm7&submit=Search), though most don't ref high school. A few refs aren't rated. Some Metropolitan refs do the Santellis/Cetrullos. Raise pay to football/basketball, insist unrefilled cancellations are paid, eliminate NJIFOA dues and redundant background check fee, and the numbers and quality might grow.
Correct, the Santelli and Cetrulo tournaments are not a ROC or SYC event. But there are ROC and SYC events in NJ. If there are 800 NJ Division referees, how many are currently active? Hint: if you are going to paste in a web address hot link, don't use "Quick Reply" use the full "Reply" button and click on the "link" button in the available text tools so that your link is usable.
I also agree that pay for fencing referees should be equal to pay for football and basketball and baseball referees. Fencing refereeing is probably harder than any of those others. I don't know what an "unrefilled cancellation" is or why it would be paid. I also agree that the NJIFOA charging referees $50 to be and "official" HS referee when we don't require referees to have ratings for HS events, is silly. AND it eliminates even the hint of a possibility for referees to agree to do one or two events a year. Ralph has me tagged to do two District events this season. Why would I want to give up $50 to do that? Parallel to that, I have already spent over $100 to maintain my USA-Fencing professional membership and maintain a SafeSport certification. I don't need to spend another $50 + $10 for another background check. Perhaps we could offer referees who have the USA-Fencing credentials reciprocity for NJIFOA status? That would make sense. For those with the cred and for those without to have another access point which is less expensive. I think these things will help, but at some point we have to push the issue as an community expectation. HS Juniors and Seniors and college fencers will get referee credentials and give back to the next generation of fencers.
It would probably make more sense to calculate the number referees needed for HS based on the number of teams. With the current lack of referee numbers we may need to attribute a higher priority to meets that are inside Athletic Conferences and a lower priority to non-conference meets. I would offer that JV referees in-conference should rank higher than non-conference. The non-confernce meets are important to me as a coach since they help the team prepare for the big tournaments and championships, but there has to be some way to handle the situation.
I don't know what an "unrefilled cancellation" is or why it would be paid.... I don't need to spend another $50 + $10 for another background check. Perhaps we could offer referees who have the USA-Fencing credentials reciprocity for NJIFOA status?
Unrefilled cancellation is a cancelled meet that a ref can't fill with another.// Concur. You asked Jack DuBois and he said...?
Thank you for the clarification. I haven't asked Jack DuBois. I think that the only fencing people that really have any contact with him are the NJIFA officers and District Reps. And that seems to be about once or twice a year at most. I hope to bring up these issues at the Saturday, Nov. 17 meeting at 11AM at NJFA. Perhaps you'll join us?
I think the whole community continues to function as well as it does because everyone cares so much about the sport and the kids.
NJIFOA meeting results: Attendance = 2 org officers: Bukantz, Mustelli + 3 referees, including me. The organization exists because it is mandated to exist by NJSIAA. There is no sense that the NJSIAA or the NJIFA actually listens to anything the fencing officials say, as individuals and especially not as a group. Yes, the coaches do cooperate with the referees in 1-1 situations. There is even the sense that many of the referees are not all on the same page about what a proper call is. This is of course especially true in sabre and often in foil. The nature of epee makes it self-insulated from the referee variable to an extent. There is some desire among referees, or at least some attending, to give the group a louder and stronger voice. This may be possible since the new requirement for most referees to use Arbiter and submit the $50 fee and $10 background check. This digital wall is either going to eliminate many refs or create a new clean record of how many there are and in the process drop a few $ hundred into the org account, or both.
There seems to only be one agreed task, creating new good referees. To that end, I will be contacting the NJ college fencing programs and attempting to arrange an on-site referee clinic for each of them.
There is also a lot of agreement that the fencing community could be served much better by the NJSIAA than it currently is.
There is no sense that the NJSIAA or the NJIFA actually listens to anything the fencing officials say...There is some desire among referees, or at least some attending, to give the group a louder and stronger voice...This digital wall is either going to eliminate many refs...There is also a lot of agreement that the fencing community could be served much better by the NJSIAA than it currently is.